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Scheherazade in Blue Jeans
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29th-Sep-2009 09:21 pm
And less out-of-sorts. Had a few good rants.

A few followup points:

* I know Ms. Geimer wants this over with. I can't say as I blame her. Being The Girl Polanski Raped for 3/4 of your life has to be an absolute nightmare. At the same time, just letting him go sets a very dangerous precedent, one that we cannot afford to set, and really reinforces rape culture in a very strong way. It's got to get pursued.

* I am not cool with the people encouraging prison rape. Rape isn't just wrong sometimes, guys. It's always wrong. And I will never wish it on anyone. I'm not going to tell you how to fell on the matter, but I want to set it out there that I don't condone it.

* The thing that got me about this was how small it made me feel. Funny coming from a person my size, yes, but - I am unaccustomed to feeling small. I spend a big chunk of my time and energy fighting to dismantle rape culture. And a lot of the time, I can see the positive changes happening. I can see the ripples. I can see this working. And today was a slap in the face. I know we have so far to go. I know that. But I am unaccustomed to that feeling of futility.

I will go to my BARCC event tomorrow. And the next day. And the next day. And I will keep fighting.
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30th-Sep-2009 02:15 am (UTC)
I agree about not encouraging prison rape. But.

When people say he "just made a little mistake" I want to be sure they understand what they are talking about. Not in a "this person deserves to be prison raped" sense, but in a "if it's just a little mistake, lets see how you feel about being the 13 year old girl in that story". And let's make that a 13 year old girl who has been given valium. I lay quietly on the table and let a nice doctor laser both my eyes under the influence of valium, if she could say no under the influence of valium, she meant no. It's some serious stuff.

Edited at 2009-09-30 02:16 am (UTC)
30th-Sep-2009 02:31 am (UTC)
I was going to vent about the second point but by that point I was just too exhausted and annoyed and sad to think. But thank you.
30th-Sep-2009 03:13 am (UTC)
Stay strong Circus Sister. Your work and passion are a wonder to behold.
30th-Sep-2009 03:18 am (UTC)
Gotta stay strong. Don't know how to be anything else. *fistbump*
30th-Sep-2009 04:33 am (UTC)
Kick ass and take names.
30th-Sep-2009 11:58 am (UTC)
Always. :)
30th-Sep-2009 03:27 am (UTC)
I'm not cool with people encouraging prison rape, either.

And I've been here and there posting reminders that Ms. Geimer really doesn't want any of this, but I have tried to include disclaimers about that: that doesn't mean that I don't think Polanski committed rape, that doesn't mean that I don't think he should be properly prosecuted and sentenced for not only that crime but for also avoiding his incarceration.
It just gives me this awful feeling deep in my chest that we're all yakking about this - not only are these events in the media, but today's technology means millions of people are connecting and publishing words about it on the internet (and discussing it at water coolers and what have you) - and she's pleaded over and over and over and over that she wishes this would just stop... and she keeps getting violated. She's saying no and we're all "yeah, but!!!"
And that's so damn sad. :(
30th-Sep-2009 03:58 am (UTC)

...is why I'm so conflicted about all this. It's horrible any way you look at it and there's no "good" solution, as far as I can see, just less bad ones. And they all have tradeoffs.
30th-Sep-2009 05:07 am (UTC)
Point the first: I think both the media/blogosphere and the courts are wearing a lot of blood on their hands WRT Ms. Geimer's situation. CNN ran a 2 page article this evening about how she wants this all over and done with, and how every time the courts address the issue, the lurid testimony of the evening she's so desperately trying to forget gets re-hashed. I'm surprised she hasn't jumped off a cliff yet.
It strikes me that it's the equivalent of being repeatedly raped, over and over, for the past 30 years.
Where are the victim's rights in all this? When does "the system" (and this includes the courts as well as the media) become "the abuser"?

Point the second: I don't condone the "justice" that goes on behind bars, nor do I wish for it, but when I hear some guy, doing a stretch for diddling kids (for example), gets some "justice", I'm not going to shed tears for the guy. Let's not forget why he's wearing that prison uniform in the first place.

Edited at 2009-09-30 05:18 am (UTC)
30th-Sep-2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
I just wanted to say that you (and people like you) are making a huge difference. Please don't get discouraged. Thank you.
30th-Sep-2009 02:10 pm (UTC)
Yes, it was years ago, yes Polanski was exiled ... but he made a BLOODY HUGE MISTAKE. I can understand he knows now he shouldn't have done that. I can understand he was shaken by his wife's and unborn baby's violent deaths. I can understand he this or that. In the meantime, he lead a pretty interesting life. In the meantime, he ruined Ms. Geimer's life. In the meantime, he really ought to face responsibility for his acts, which he has been running from as a 'poor exiled man'. It's not about how much time has passed for him, it's about how long time must have felt for her.

Interestingly enough, there was a debate about meeting on the internet on one of our radio stations this morning, because there's currently 2 men standing trial for the rape and attempted murder on a then 17 year old girl they met off the internet. And one of the people said "she asked for it" by not being more careful (she met the boy first with her parents around, then invited him over and he brought a friend). Fortunately people were reacting on this saying nobody asks for this, that nothing is a good excuse for rape, especially not a short skirt or what have you. But it's such a shame that this behaviour still exists. That people still think that a girl or woman can somehow invite men to rape her. I turned off the radio, and I am not a victim nor do I know any personally. It's disgusting really.
30th-Sep-2009 04:24 pm (UTC)
I haven't been able to calm down about the "just one mistake" BS. Anybody remember Nastassja Kinski? She was all of 15 when Polanski started sleeping with her. Though it was reportedly consensual, it would still have qualified as statutory rape in this country.
30th-Sep-2009 04:39 pm (UTC)
Nobody's addressing the fact that he served his sentence for this! It's not about whether or not it was rape. It's not possible for it to come down to "just letting him go" because he's already been punished. The judge in the case accepted a plea deal that the prosecutor and the defense agreed to, and then - AFTER Polanski had served the time they agreed to - reneged on it because the media was calling for his head. Even the prosecutor in the case agrees that the judge's behavior was inappropriate, and that he should have removed himself.
30th-Sep-2009 04:56 pm (UTC)
I've seen that side of the issue addressed extensively. Nonetheless, the reprehensible behavior of the judge is no excuse for further bad behavior on the part of the defendant. Polanski acknowledged committing the crime. He should have accepted the sentence as delivered, gone to jail, and fought tooth and nail via the legal system to have his sentence reduced to the original plea bargain.
30th-Sep-2009 07:07 pm (UTC)
I agree Polanski should be punished.

I also think that this girl's mother should be published.

What? She didn't know that a creepy old guy taking nekkid pictures of a 13 year old girl alone was potential for trouble?
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