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The Invisibility of the Female Geek 
20th-Apr-2011 03:37 pm
Jean Grey
So, like I mentioned in an earlier Link Soup, Spencers is selling Marvel superhero pajama sets.

I find this awesome. Because they are basically Underoos, and Underoos are awesome. I have been hoping for an Underoo renaissance for years. Y'all have no idea. I seriously talk about Underoos a lot.

The thing I am "erf?" about here is the media coverage.

io9: "Marvel superheroine pajamas are a great gift (if you want your wife to divorce you)".

Geekologie: For The Ladies (But Actually For The Mens): Sessy Superhero Character Pajamas.

Both articles, I note, were written by men.

Both articles presuppose that comics are a Boy Thing. That a woman could not possibly want superhero pajamas. Your wife will divorce you? Really, io9? Really?

Because I tell you what would happen if my husband bought me those pajamas. I would be sillybouncy and quite happy. And then he would get to see me in them. All the time. (We don't have central air. Cami + panties = what I wear around the house all summer.)

That sounds like a win/win to me.

Want to know what my only problem here is? Lack of variety. I want Phoenix (green and red). Branch out to DC - I want Vixen. I want Power Girl. I want all of Heroes for Hire. I want Shadowcat.

I want Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld.

I want Wasp and Miss Marvel and Spider-Woman (not just Spider-Girl) and Batwoman, I want Storm, I want an amazing array of Underoos. I want to be a different superhero every night.

And I don't want that "for the mens", I want it for me. Because sometimes, dudes, it's not about the menz. Sometimes we just want to have fun. Fuck the male gaze, I just want to dress up like Wonder Woman because I like dressing up as Wonder Woman. And that is a valid choice.

I know more about comics than any man you know - unless that man is my husband, and in that case, we're tied. Female geeks. We exist. Is that really still news?
20th-Apr-2011 07:30 pm (UTC)
I added them all to my amazon list because I want them. They'd be perfect for around the house or visiting the boyfriend when I spend quite a lot of time not totally dressed. Plus! Geek!

I don't get it. We're not exactly invisible so why is the myth that we don't exist still so hard to get past?
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20th-Apr-2011 07:35 pm (UTC)
I would rather insist that my partner wear the plastic Hellboy fist with the PJs. At least long enough for a little photo shoot. (See also Wolverine claws, Hulk hands).

Indie comic PJs would be great too, of course!
20th-Apr-2011 07:37 pm (UTC)
But but... the only reason a woman might have to look pretty is to make men look at her! She wouldn't like looking pretty if it weren't for men!

20th-Apr-2011 07:42 pm (UTC)
Apparently it is really still news. I just added them to my wish list, too.
20th-Apr-2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
I don't think the articles are based on a (supposed) issue with gender in comics and geekdom. The heroines in the underoos are more buxom than the women who wear them, so jealousy is a factor.
20th-Apr-2011 07:48 pm (UTC)
You know Amethyst!!! Yay! It's nice to know I'm not the only one who cherishes those memories. :)

And yes, I would totally wear those pajamas even though I don't usually wear any at all. :)
21st-Apr-2011 03:41 am (UTC)
I still have every issue!
20th-Apr-2011 07:49 pm (UTC)
I'm not opposed to the idea of superhero pajamas in general, I just think the design of these is kind of gratuitous. I hate the body silhouettes - it's basically saying that no matter how small your waist is, it could be smaller. A pair of pajamas with superhero(ine) motifs that were NOT calling attention to the anatomically impossible physiques of female characters in comics could be pretty awesome, and a great gift. But I can absolutely see (as io9 is saying) how a gift of these pajamas would be less of a "hey, you love superheroes, here's some pajamas reflecting that" and more of an editorial comment on the wearer's inferior body.
20th-Apr-2011 07:52 pm (UTC)
See, I actually wrote and deleted a thing about that - should've left it in!

I think the fact that no waist could possibly be that small calls attention to the ridiculousness of comic-book physiques. I imagine that superhero PJs of this style for guys would have ridiculous Rob Liefeld muscles. I actually think the hyperexaggeration is better than mild exaggeration in this case.

But I'd buy realistic ones, too.

Edited at 2011-04-20 07:54 pm (UTC)
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20th-Apr-2011 07:58 pm (UTC)
Wasp! Yay!

Also Scarlet Witch and the Monica Rambeay Caprain Marvel, because I want white and silver with the cool star.
20th-Apr-2011 08:08 pm (UTC)
The Power Girl boob window is kinda silly RL, alas.

I'd kinda like Flying Fox from Astro City, myself.
20th-Apr-2011 08:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'd want a screenprinted boob window. I am terribly active in my sleep; things could get ridiculous.

And yes, everyone from Astro City!
20th-Apr-2011 08:13 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, it seems like female geeks are still news. Hell, "if you want your wife to divorce you" is a step up in the portrayal of male geeks - I'm surprised it didn't say "if you never want to get married and move out of your parents' basement."

It's a pretty sad commentary on the state of our society today that if you read anything or have any sort of hobby at all, you are automatically viewed as some sort of weirdo.
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20th-Apr-2011 10:01 pm (UTC)
I . . . WHAT?
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20th-Apr-2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
Captain America Pimp Stein. Captain America. Pimp Stein.

Pimp Stein? Captain America? Pimp? Stein?



20th-Apr-2011 09:07 pm (UTC)
Can I have my Codename: Sailor V pyjama now? The manga's all up on Amazon and everything. IT IS TIME. FOR SAILOR V PYJAMA.
20th-Apr-2011 09:15 pm (UTC)
Or my personal favorites: Domino and Psylocke. Emma Frost was a good start, but they need to take this idea and run.
20th-Apr-2011 09:21 pm (UTC)
To geeks, no.

To marketers...yes!

20th-Apr-2011 09:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah... definite do not want. :/ Costume style? Awesome! Body outline painted on like the "sexy cook" aprons? No thanks.
20th-Apr-2011 10:06 pm (UTC)
I am fond of underoos.
20th-Apr-2011 11:04 pm (UTC) - And ideas that would...
probably send those mundane writers off to be alone in their bunks:

A superhero PJ/Underoos themed party... At Arisia... :-)
20th-Apr-2011 11:06 pm (UTC)
Right now, I can't help re-imagining this post as an article written by Sarah Jane Smith.

Regarding whom (and more to the point, her alter-ego): http://taliskimberley.bandcamp.com/track/goodnight-sarah-jane
21st-Apr-2011 03:07 am (UTC)
It's hard not to think of everything in her context right now.
20th-Apr-2011 11:25 pm (UTC)
If not for the lack of acknowledgment that geek/geek romantic partnerships do exist, I find it a surprisingly enlightened comment. Hey guys, a present of sexually-objectifying clothing is perhaps not the best choice if you want to send your partner the message that you respect her and appreciate her exactly as she is and wishes to be is what I took away from it. But it lacked the "but if she wants to be them, this is is a great gift" which is what should totally be the point. Agh. Headdesk.

And I don't want that "for the mens", I want it for me. Because sometimes, dudes, it's not about the menz. Sometimes we just want to have fun. Fuck the male gaze, I just want to dress up like Wonder Woman because I like dressing up as Wonder Woman. And that is a valid choice.
Totally this.

(I never imprinted on superheroes, but if you pointed me at a TOS minidress nightshirt in my size, damn skippy I would put one in blue, gold, and even red, on my wishlist fast enough to violate several Federation laws.)
20th-Apr-2011 11:51 pm (UTC)
Will a t-shirt dress do?

Unfortunately, it looks like it has been a bit too popular. . . .
20th-Apr-2011 11:54 pm (UTC)
I actually had an issue with the jammies and it seems kind of stupid but here it is: I HATED that all the jammies required the depiction of MASSIVE breasts. I totally get that the characters were indeed drawn that way, but I have no desire to look like a top heavy Barbie doll about to explode.
21st-Apr-2011 03:06 am (UTC)
I think I want it for me AND the men.
21st-Apr-2011 03:07 am (UTC)
I don't like the bodies drawn into the costumes. They are skeevy to me.


I had some as a girl. Some of the boys at my school wore their Underpinnings shirts in public & they were like regular colored t-shirts. My Underplay were only printed on the front. White on the back. I felt really cheated.
21st-Apr-2011 03:10 am (UTC)
I wrote "Underoos " both times but decided to leave in the damn you autocorrects because HAHAHA FUNNY!
21st-Apr-2011 03:53 am (UTC)
I saw the Emma Frost ones up close the last time I was at Spencer's a couple weeks ago. While I will agree with what most everyone here has said about the perceived "sleaze/trash" factor as well as the problematic anatomy depictions (tiny waist/huge boobs factor) but like others have said, I'd be all over this if it was more realistic, but even more so, if these things EVEN APPROACHED A SIZE I COULD WEAR. Apparently plus-sized female geeks (that don't really exist) don't deserve Superhero Underoos. :/

I may have been a geek before I was female, but I'm still a female geek. :P
21st-Apr-2011 12:32 pm (UTC)
That second article is phenomenally skeevy.

"What, no Batman?" Haha -- I knew it! "BATGIRL, I MEANT BATGIRL!" Too late, now you have to touch my privates!

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