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Wonder Woman 
4th-Mar-2011 06:54 pm
Zoe - warrior
Okay, I am so confused by the upcoming Wonder Woman TV series.

The script is apparently cringeworthy. I got that.

What I don't get is the casting. Because we get Cary Elwes as the CEO of WW's company! Elizabeth Hurley as the villain! Traci Thoms as Etta Candy! Cool! Actual actors! I love Traci Thoms!

...and Generic Bimbo Starlet #43 as Wonder Woman.

Adam: "Who's Generic Bimbo Starlet #43 again?"
Me: "Exactly."

I don't understand. Did they blow their budget on the supporting actors? Why would you not hire a good actress for the lead role? HOLLYWOOD. WHUT.

For the record, I wanted Gina Torres. Now she would've been a kickass Wonder Woman.

EDIT: A few commenters haven't liked my phrasing on "bimbo", so I've changed it to "starlet", but kept "bimbo" in strikethrough so it doesn't look like I'm hiding my original phrasing. I maintain that they should've hired an actual actress, and that Torres would've kicked ass!

ALSO EDIT: If you are perturbed by me having opinions without making a 5,000-word post about why I have those opinions, read comments, where it's looking like I'm eventually going to hit 5,000 words anyway, which is augh because I'm really tired.

I will try to give you the bones of my issues:

All of the other actors have track records and known skill. I find it weird that the lead is the only actor who hasn't shown an ability to act - or I would, if she wasn't a Hollywood-pretty generic starlet. What this feels like to me is that it's okay to cast actors who are an eighth of an inch outside of the Hollywood Beauty Standard in supporting roles, but casting a non-generically-pretty actor as the female lead is a bridge too far, and I get really frustrated with that. I get frustrated with it in general - and yes, I do point it out whenever I see it; Elayna is very accustomed to viewing things critically by now! - but I get especially frustrated with it when this is a character who is supposed to be strong and have gravitas. There are so many very talented actresses out there who could rock this, and I wish it had gone to one of them. And the fact that the rest of the casting is really solid makes it even more annoying.
Comments 
5th-Mar-2011 12:06 am (UTC)
Traci Thoms as Etta Candy? I didn't realize that I've been waiting my entire adult life to read those five words, but there they are.
5th-Mar-2011 12:47 am (UTC)
Seconded.
5th-Mar-2011 12:10 am (UTC)
Gina Torres. No one else will EVER do, now.
7th-Mar-2011 03:58 am (UTC)
Agreed.
5th-Mar-2011 12:11 am (UTC)
Anonymous
I'm gonna disagree with you here. Adrianne Palicki is pretty awesome, and a very capable actress. Why are you calling her a bimbo?
5th-Mar-2011 12:11 am (UTC)
Shit, that was me! Sorry, LJ logged me out.
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5th-Mar-2011 12:28 am (UTC) - Holy crap, Gina Torres!
That probably would've pissed the purists off, but really, if you compare the # of purists vs. the # of people who love Gina Torres, it would've ROCKED.
5th-Mar-2011 12:32 am (UTC)
Gina Torres. Definitely.
5th-Mar-2011 12:33 am (UTC)
Gina Torres would have been awesome, but I have to admit I'm confused by this post. You don't know who the actor is, so she's a. not a good actress and b. a bimbo? I don't understand.
5th-Mar-2011 12:39 am (UTC)
I've changed bimbo to starlet as less inflammatory, but she really is incredibly generic. And apparently has never been in anything good, so she may be a good actress but has never been given an opportunity to act, idk. But she seems to be a totally generic Hollywood waif, and there are so many actual actresses they could've hired.
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5th-Mar-2011 12:44 am (UTC)
I was too distracted by the Candy goodness to comment on Gina Torres, but yes. She can do fierce. She can do resolute. She can do goddess-and-ambassador-of-peace-and-light. She can do dignity, which is something I think the role really demands.
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5th-Mar-2011 01:27 am (UTC)
But Torres is still totally badass, and there's no law saying WW has to be in her 20s.

I don't tend to know how old any given actress is, but I see that Rosario Dawson is 30, and I don't feel like that's too old for WW. (Then again, don't know if she'd be up for shifting from movies to TV, though more and more great actors and actresses are doing so these days.)

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5th-Mar-2011 01:24 am (UTC)
I think it's mostly that some of the people who've seen Adrianne Palicki's work (three seasons of episodic TV) are trying to say that she's not actually unproven.
5th-Mar-2011 01:29 am (UTC)
Most of the people objecting have admitted to not seeing her in anything, though.
5th-Mar-2011 01:55 am (UTC)
Sorry, I'd much rather see relative unknowns in iconic roles. I'd rather it be "cool, it's Wonder Woman" instead of "Gina Torres! Is! Wonder! Woman!"

Although Gina Torres is awesome, of course.

Unknowns have no baggage to soil the iconic character. That's why Peter Weller was a great Robocop, and why Sylvester Stallone sucked balls as Judge Dredd.
5th-Mar-2011 01:59 am (UTC)
To be fair, that's not the only reason Stallone sucked. :)
5th-Mar-2011 03:09 am (UTC)
All of the other actors have track records and known skill. I find it weird that the lead is the only actor who hasn't shown an ability to act - or I would, if she wasn't a Hollywood-pretty generic starlet.
As a fan of Friday Night Lights, I can honestly say that I've seen more of Adrianne Palicki's acting than Cary Elwes, Elizabeth Hurley, or Traci Thoms combined. Those three all have background in film, which is very different from the regular schedule of an American television show. In fact, this will be the third series that Palicki has been a regular on, the second being the brief Lone Star. So I have seen that she has the ability to act, and to act well, and I will stand by that opinion.
5th-Mar-2011 03:12 am (UTC)
A few weeks ago, you made a post about how you liked to wear corsets at cons. This led to other people making assumptions about your availability. You made the very good point that it shouldn't matter how you dress and that people shouldn't think things about you based on it.

So it's very disappointing to see you making the same assumptions about someone because she's tall and blond and you have no idea who she is. I like Palicki. I think she did a good job on Friday Night Lights, going from "bad girl from wrong side of the tracks" whose mother just wanted her to get married to someone who fought to go to college and Do Something. I have no idea how she'll do as Wonder Woman; truth be told, I don't really watch live action superhero stuff. I just find it troubling that you made assumptions about what this person was capable of based on the fact that she wears a corset (her looks) rather than getting to know the person (watching some of the work she's done).
5th-Mar-2011 03:16 am (UTC)
A few weeks ago, you made a post about how you liked to wear corsets at cons. This led to other people making assumptions about your availability.

...that wasn't really what that post was about.

So it's very disappointing to see you making the same assumptions about someone because she's tall and blond and you have no idea who she is.

And that's not what this post is about, and that's 100% factually inaccurate anyway - well, I don't know if she's tall, but she's definitely not blonde. And I never said "tall and blonde" anywhere in this post or in its comments, as it's both false and irrelevant.

I'd suggest giving both posts a read-through.

EDIT: Looked her up on IMDB and saw that she is tall, but I'm baffled as to what height might have to do with anything. Likewise hair color. And the fact remains that I never said anything remotely related to "tall and blonde".

Edited at 2011-03-05 03:20 am (UTC)
5th-Mar-2011 04:11 am (UTC)
The thing that comes into my mind, as someone who once considered going into acting as a career - if no one ever hires an unknown, how would anyone ever break into the business in the first place?

"Unknown" =! "not a good/real actor"

Unknown simply means they haven't managed to get cast in something yet - and this particular actress (I'm not at all familiar with her) isn't even a true unknown - she's got a few roles under her belt, so it's not even a case like what happened with the Harry Potter films when three kids who pretty much had ZERO clue about acting got hired. :)
5th-Mar-2011 07:57 pm (UTC)
There's going to be a Wonder Woman TV show? Did they give up on the movie?
5th-Mar-2011 10:59 pm (UTC)
So here's something I find VERY problematic, if it's true: Of course it's Wonder Woman's Villain Who's Bisexual (Queerty)

Of course. Let's make the villain bi--that will show how greedy and evil she is! *incoherent rage*
7th-Mar-2011 12:10 pm (UTC)
Argh. Charming.
7th-Mar-2011 01:26 am (UTC)
My actual issue is way less the casting (which is proving inconsistent), and way more the premise. Which is like, "Hello, you are perfect for Power Girl."
7th-Mar-2011 05:03 am (UTC)
I know pretty much none of the actors/actresses mentioned (save Hurley) so they're all unknowns to me. There are many reasons favorite person X doesn't get a role. Not the least of which can be the actress (or her agent) taking a look at the script and saying "Sheesh, what a train wreck. Yeah, let's pass on this one."
7th-Mar-2011 04:20 pm (UTC)
{{{{bearhugs}}} You have a right to your own opinions.. and it's your journal so hey do and say what you want.. for the record I rather agree..
7th-Mar-2011 05:45 pm (UTC)
I'm reading backward through time, so am late.

Tyra as Wonder Woman? HECK yeah--she was AWEsome in Friday Night Lights.

I don't quite get the "only three/four seasons of TV work"... how much would she need to have to be "real"? She was a main plot point character, it wasn't as though she were only in two shows a season?

And I've seen her with other haircolors, nothing says it would have to be blonde?

I prefer a more unknown actress, though--for anything that's been iconic.

Also... Gina Torres would make a kick-ass Storm, IMO.

(And I had no idea who Tracie Thoms was until I looked her up... )
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