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Thor's Day 
16th-Sep-2010 07:33 am
Happy birthday to auryn29a!

State of the 'Song
Slept through the night! And so totally did not want to get up. Ah well. I get two days of comp time off next week to sleep in (if my daughter lets me) and write.

As shweta_narayan says, "Anti-immigrant, assimilationist if-they-don't-pass-as-white-it's-their-fault rage-inducing xenophobic BULLSHIT warning."

Elizabeth Moon, what the fuck?

Just NO. And I have not come up with what to say directly to her, but just NO.

Y'know what the anti-Muslim hatred being stirred up in this country of reminds me of? Germany in the 1930s. I am not okay with this.

Clothing Swap
I'm not offering to run it because frankly, my living room is too small for it! It's big enough for people, but not for people + mountains of clothes.

Link Soup
* The first issue of Stone Telling is out! It features poems by samhenderson, tithenai, seajules, and more! Go read!
* David Bowie and some motherfucking wolves.

Daily Science
Researchers at MIT have developed software that can track a Lycra fabric glove with a special color pattern. Using only a cheap web camera equipped with a wide angle lens, the software can track hand gestures.

Work. If I don't need a nap, I'm going to start hauling clothes that don't fit out of the closet and bagging them for eventual clothing swap/donation.

Tonight's the Socializing for Justice event at Lir Pub! From 6-8, I'm running one of the Action Stations for BARCC; 8pm onward, dance party for social justice, y'all. Come on down. And bring some school supplies for the supply drive! Details at the link.
16th-Sep-2010 11:37 am (UTC)
As james_nicoll put it, when Will Shetterly is a voice of reason, you know you're in a Bizzaro-World situation.
16th-Sep-2010 11:42 am (UTC)

BRB, posting that everywhere I can right the hell now.
16th-Sep-2010 12:12 pm (UTC)
I have an evil urge to 'shop a three-wolf t-shirt on him in that fourth picture.
16th-Sep-2010 12:14 pm (UTC)
16th-Sep-2010 06:14 pm (UTC)

and then I realized I just wasn't looking closely enough at the two wolves.

Dammit, my mistakes are better than the reality of David Bowie and motherfucking wolves. What is wrong with that?
16th-Sep-2010 10:46 pm (UTC)
18th-Sep-2010 05:21 pm (UTC)
I went there too.
20th-Sep-2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
This comment cracked me up.
16th-Sep-2010 11:50 am (UTC)
You know, in retrospect, if anyone was going to show their ass, it would obviously have been someone named "Moon."
16th-Sep-2010 12:15 pm (UTC)
Oh you. I'm only giggling because of the caffeine, really.
16th-Sep-2010 12:01 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
16th-Sep-2010 01:06 pm (UTC)
Elizabeth Moon, what the fuck?

Just NO. And I have not come up with what to say directly to her, but just NO.

Y'know what the anti-Muslim hatred being stirred up in this country of reminds me of? Germany in the 1930s. I am not okay with this.

I just put a link to my "if you are against Park51, you are a Bad Guy" post.

The downside of Godwin's Law is that we are now reluctant to compare people to Hitler when Hitler is the actual appropriate comparison.
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16th-Sep-2010 02:07 pm (UTC)
Why is it that people with NO EXPERIENCE living alongside a Muslim community feel the need to open their mouths?

The impression I'm getting is that she's saying that those who belong to a faith or culture that is different from the majority are less than full citizens. They have to deny their life experiences and pretend to be something they're not (a member of the majority) to be accepted and treated like human beings?

I have to be reading that wrong.
16th-Sep-2010 02:12 pm (UTC)
Wait...if you read all of E.Moon's post carefully and the comments, she is *not* encouraging anti-Muslim hatred. She simply expressed her lack of surprise that shit has been stirred up by the building being planned for that site.
And I quote: "The furor over this building is unfortunate; my point is that it was predictable once the right people got hold of it, which it was inevitable that they would.

What's WTF about that?
16th-Sep-2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
Here, I'll quote too: "I feel that I personally (and many others) lean over backwards to put up with these things, to let Muslims believe stuff that unfits them for citizenship"

That's a problem. Right there. The idea that Muslims believe things that make them unfit for US citizenship. There's a lot more in there, including the idea that there are no Feminist Muslim women, and so on.
16th-Sep-2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
I'm honestly confused here. Are you being sarcastic, or are you really missing the metric fuckton of victim-blaming and racism Moon throws into the second half of her post?
16th-Sep-2010 02:47 pm (UTC)
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm suggesting that people take from this the wonderful ideas she has in teh first part and then recognize that she has opinions in the rest of it that which which I personally may disagree, but I fully give her the right to have.

Seems to me that you are all throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

But now I'm bowing out, because I don't have time to be personally attacked. I have stuff to do today.

Sorry, move on, nothing to see here.
16th-Sep-2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
No one attacked you personally in the slightest.
16th-Sep-2010 05:31 pm (UTC)
Well then, I apologize. I guess I felt attacked; I'm admittedly a bit touchy these days.

OT, but I'm very glad that your daughter's safe.
16th-Sep-2010 02:23 pm (UTC)
The point where she jumped the shark was when she started talking about how Muslims should be more aware of how much "forebearance" they've been given. I think a lot of people are quoting this bit as the WTF moment (emphasis mine):

The same with other points of Islam that I find appalling (especially as a free woman) and totally against those basic principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution...I feel that I personally (and many others) lean over backwards to put up with these things, to let Muslims believe stuff that unfits them for citizenship, on the grounds of their personal freedom. It would be helpful to have them understand what they're demanding of me and others--how much more they're asking than giving. It would be helpful for them to show more understanding of the responsibilities of citizenship in a non-Muslim country.

It smacks heavily of, "Those brown people should be darned grateful for the things us by-default-upstanding white citizens have put up with in their weeeeeeyuuuurd barbaric religious practices that we know next to nothing about." And that's really just the start.
16th-Sep-2010 02:45 pm (UTC)
My main problem here is that *everybody* is now castigating her (and me, apparently, by sin of association) for having an opinion that is different than theirs.

The fact that what she says before she gets into the Islamic stuff, regarding personal responsibility and the need for good citizenship is being totally ignored, is sad. The first half of what she wrote was utterly awesome, but if we disagree with the rest, we throw everything away as well? What a shame.

So now she's a racist and so am I? Wow. Pretty stunning if you realize (and why should you?) that while I appear to be this Caucasian woman, I am nearly half Native American. So should I now be spouting about all of you getting out of my country and how you've abused me? Wow, no.

Some people *have* bent over backward to try to overbalance the asshattedness that the conservative right is displaying and pushing and flaming. The fact that it is necessary, that compassion and mercy and...

Well, nevermind. I don't have time for a flame war right now. I'm too busy trying to find a job, make a living with my own creativity and pay my bills.
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16th-Sep-2010 02:59 pm (UTC)
Have you read *all* of the comments and all of her replies?

Just sayin'...read before you castigate. Really.
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16th-Sep-2010 05:35 pm (UTC)
I find it quite amusing that you pat yourself on the back for being tolerant while calling her a bunch of names.

She didn't claim to speak for you; she was speaking for herself. You speak for yourself; I speak myself. That's how communication works.

We all have lots of people living in our metaphoric and literal back yards; I think it is in all our best interest to have healthy and candid discussions even on difficult issues.
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16th-Sep-2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't attempting to flame, I was trying to explain where I thought people thought she jumped the shark. And, unfortunately, when that sort of thing happens, the baby (in this case, the first part of her post) tends to get thrown out with the bathwater.

I apologize if it came off as anything other than an explanation. Good luck finding a job.
16th-Sep-2010 03:07 pm (UTC)
Thank you. I don't agree with her stand on some of that either; I totally disagree that people should have to give up their rich cultural heritage in order to fit into our society. But I don't like to see her attacked and denigrated for it. I think that the commenters on her post and her replies are very interesting to read with good points on both sides.

And huzzah for discussions on these issues that can remain civil, well-written and interesting to read!
16th-Sep-2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
The idea that because the furor-causing people would cause a furor, it shouldn't happen?
16th-Sep-2010 02:46 pm (UTC) - that Elizabeth Moon post
Wow. It started off really well, and then just devolved into a whole lot of WTFery. O_o

It's been pointed out in the NY Times that the WTC itself had a Muslim prayer room on the 17th floor of the south tower.
16th-Sep-2010 03:00 pm (UTC) - Re: that Elizabeth Moon post
Wow. It started off really well, and then just devolved into a whole lot of WTFery. O_o

Yah. ::sighs:: I mean sure, we shouldn't be surprised that some asshats are making a big deal out of this. That doesn't mean that the correct answer was to not do it at all.
16th-Sep-2010 07:02 pm (UTC)
"Y'know what the anti-Muslim hatred being stirred up in this country of reminds me of? Germany in the 1930s. I am not okay with this."

THIS! So many times THIS!

Never Again - it means something people...
17th-Sep-2010 03:25 am (UTC)
Wow. I haven't read any of her novels and now I'm reluctant to. But then, I used to read Orson Scott Card novels. Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on myself.

The highlighted points from the Sf_Drama entry sum up the WTFery quite succinctly.

Did anybody get a screen cap of the comment on her entry before she deleted them all?
17th-Sep-2010 04:02 am (UTC)
Er 'comments'.
18th-Sep-2010 05:29 pm (UTC)
I hope so - I hate it when someone says something, then when people call them out on their BS they say "OMG you're all big meanies" and delete the comments.
18th-Sep-2010 05:34 pm (UTC)
re Elizabeth Moon: OMGWTF - more detailed comments to follow in my LJ once I get off work this afternoon.

re David Bowie and some motherfucking wolves: Too awesome!

re MIT hand gesture tracking: In the late 80s I read about an early version of this that used fairly large arm gestures in combination with voice commands. You'd point at images on a large screen and say "put that there" while pointing first at the thing you wanted to move and then at the place you wanted it moved to. This is lightyears beyond that - it think it's taking us some really exciting places.
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