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The Inception Thread 
21st-Jul-2010 07:24 am
Alice: World of my own
I will start you off with some SPOILERY links.

This has spoilers!

This has spoilers, too!

My own thoughts will come when I've time, probably in fits and starts in the comments, but for now? Have at!
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21st-Jul-2010 11:44 am (UTC)
Seeing it tonight, I think.

I'll be back after then.
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21st-Jul-2010 01:15 pm (UTC)
Not a whole lot to say, except that I loved Inception hard and am seeing it again today.

I enjoyed reading those links. I like the idea of an additional inception performed by Ellen Page's character, and the wedding ring idea seems plausible to me.

I considered the recognition issue to be a plot hole, not where it concerned Saito, but where it concerned Cobb and his team. If mind crime is real and the whole world knows it, to the point where people train against it, isn't he going to think it's fishy that he started dreaming about the people who were on the flight with him?
21st-Jul-2010 01:23 pm (UTC)
[info]bluegargantua


My only big question is how much can dreamers affect their dreamscape. In the one scene Guy A is using an assault rifle on the projections and then Guy B says "dream big" and hefts a grenade launcher to blow them away. A bit earlier, Cobb (or his subconscious via Mal) conjures a freight train in the middle of the city. Earlier still, Adrianne was messing with Cobb's city (folding it over making new stuff, etc.).

OK, so if it's so easy to manipulate, why not do more of it? At least your gun would never run out of bullets or you could seal up that air duct the commandos were chasing them up. There's no reason to run downstairs to retrieve the explosive when you could just dream up some more.

The wobble does suggest that they're not in a dream at the end, although I might also suggest that if Cobb has completely given in then his totem is no longer reliable -- he's dreaming that he's spun the totem and he'll simply make it fall.

later
Tom
21st-Jul-2010 01:35 pm (UTC)
But the top isn't his totem. It's Mal's.

Which begs the question: What is Cobb's totem?
21st-Jul-2010 02:52 pm (UTC)
that was a lingering question for me. Maybe his totem is the ring?
21st-Jul-2010 01:24 pm (UTC)
I agree with most of the Facebook thread. I think he exited the dream at the end - the biggest discomfort with that is the age of the kids, but I prefer to think this anyway, because I think it is supported by the top wobble and the wedding ring thing, and because it's infinitely more interesting to me if he is awake.

I feel like there were *three* inceptions. The one with Fischer, the one about letting go of Mal, and him actually creating an idea within *himself* in the same way he did with her: "This world isn't real."

He says it in the last scene with Saito, and I believe that is what the last scene represents, and one reason we don't see the top fall and neither does he. He spins it, then walks away before the wobble occurs. He will never know for sure what's real, ever again.

ETA: This is my favorite kind of ending of anything, by the way - where the storyteller forces you to be in the situation the protagonist is in. (Like the ending of Dark Tower - you have to turn the page and see what happens, even though you are told it's unwise. How can you judge Roland for doing the same?) Here we aren't sure and we debate and debate, and so will he.

Edited at 2010-07-21 01:27 pm (UTC)
21st-Jul-2010 07:20 pm (UTC)
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