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Friday 
30th-Apr-2010 07:35 am
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Happy birthday to ysobelle and novelfriend!

Happy early birthday to seanhtaylor, who advances a year over the weekend!

Medical
Tiiiiired. Which is unsurprising. Also itchy; possible gluten in the salad dressing yesterday?

Explo
Am still waiting for Adam to give me totals; hopefully tonight? We sent the check in, figuring that it'll be close even if we don't quite have it, and we could delay the rent check til Monday if we have to.

Person who won the BPAL box has put in a *pending* payment. Like I'll get the money in a month if I send the box immediately. And I am like big box of rares and no money? Danger, Will Robinson.

"I'm a little concerned that I'm being asked to ship a big box of rare BPAL without actually receiving the payment; it seems a bit backwards! I've never seen a pending payment like this. Plus the auction was to raise money to send my daughter to summer camp, so I need the money by Monday, not a month from now.

I have feedback on BPAL.org as Shadesong, if you'd like to check me out. I didn't see your eBay username listed on BPAL.org's feedback page; do you have a different name there?

I can ship the package tomorrow if I have payment."

I think that sounds about right. But yeah, I'm like UM. PayPal pros, am I obligated to send the package if I technically have not been paid?

EDIT: No, it's not an eCheck. Her reponse is under the cut:
"You do have payment, you just can't access it according to ebay's new rule which went into effect back in March.

I sent payment IMMEDIATELY to you after the auction ended. The pending payment is the NEW way of ebay/paypal doing things which went into effect back in March. From what I was told previously by other sellers, ebay will not release the funds to the seller until the buyer receives the item and leaves positive feedback for the seller. They changed this due to too many complaints from people not receiving their items. Here is Paypal phone number: 1-402-935-2050. You can call them directly and they will explain to you the new method. This applies to ALL sellers on ebay, not just you. It's unfortunately something I have no control over and has nothing to do with me. I sent my payment through Paypal right away, the rest is up to you to ship item asap, so that I can leave you feedback asap and you can get your money released. I have no doubt that you are an honest seller, it's ebay's new rules, not mine. I feel really bad that you can't get your money right away, but again, it's not my rules. I don't have a name on the bpal.org's forum. I only use it to read the scent descriptions. I'm just an avid fan of all bpal oils. I will not only leave you positive feedback once the package arrives, I will also send you an email to let you know it arrived so that Paypal will release your funds. Please let me know if there's anything else I could do to help. I've noticed that since this new rule went into effect, I've been getting my packages a lot faster, so the sellers can get their funds released a lot faster. Please, please, I beg of you, call either ebay or paypal, they can explain why they are doing this new method a lot better than I can. And they will explain to you that holding the funds is not the BUYERS fault and has nothing to do with the BUYER."

Now. I bought stuff on eBay as recently as March 29. And ain't no such thing. I am highly dubious.

May is Coming
Which means April is ending, which means I can stop being as overloaded. And actually start writing about some of the stuff I need to be writing it about.

I am amused that every meal with mangosteen turns into us elucidating all of the philosophical discoveries we have made about ourselves lately that we have not had time to write about.

Link Soup
None today, as I was out all day and night yesterday.

Friday Memeage
Wearing: Oh look, it is another shirt with an interesting foldy neckline! This one's navy blue. Jeans, black slinky cardigan (doesn't need to match, as it'll be too warm for it before I get to the office, but too cold on the walk to the bus to go without it), Wyrding Studios jewelry.
Reading: A biography of Lucrezia Borgia, The Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes - and Why by Amanda Ripley, and any number of half-finished scattered nonfiction books that my April brain could not get through.
Writing: Not this week. Next week.
Knitting: The baby blanket for a co-worker is about 75% done and hence too big to haul on the bus, so that's couch knitting and the sari silk wrap for fortunavirilis is bus knitting. Must order the yarn for saraphina_marie's custom baby blanket once I know how much money we have.
Planning
Today: I still have not heard whether I'm touring the Armory today; I am going to assume not? but keep nudging the contact person. Tonight, Evil Dead: The Musical, rescheduled from last week because of my really nightmarish fatigue.
Tomorrow: Greeting the dawn on the Charles River. Free Comic Book Day. Mailing the BPAL if the person sends me money. Nap? Wake Up the Earth Festival.
Sunday: Harvard Square MayFair a bit if I'm up to it, but mostly a curling-up-on-the-couch day.

You?
Comments 
30th-Apr-2010 11:40 am (UTC)
It sounds like they may have put it in as a check payment - and thus it will take a few days to clear - at least that would be my guess without looking more deeply?
30th-Apr-2010 12:21 pm (UTC)
That would be my guess as well
30th-Apr-2010 01:20 pm (UTC)
Nope, not an eCheck.

Her reply: You do have payment, you just can't access it according to ebay's new rule which went into effect back in March.

I sent payment IMMEDIATELY to you after the auction ended. The pending payment is the NEW way of ebay/paypal doing things which went into effect back in March. From what I was told previously by other sellers, ebay will not release the funds to the seller until the buyer receives the item and leaves positive feedback for the seller. They changed this due to too many complaints from people not receiving their items. Here is Paypal phone number: 1-402-935-2050. You can call them directly and they will explain to you the new method. This applies to ALL sellers on ebay, not just you. It's unfortunately something I have no control over and has nothing to do with me. I sent my payment through Paypal right away, the rest is up to you to ship item asap, so that I can leave you feedback asap and you can get your money released. I have no doubt that you are an honest seller, it's ebay's new rules, not mine. I feel really bad that you can't get your money right away, but again, it's not my rules. I don't have a name on the bpal.org's forum. I only use it to read the scent descriptions. I'm just an avid fan of all bpal oils. I will not only leave you positive feedback once the package arrives, I will also send you an email to let you know it arrived so that Paypal will release your funds. Please let me know if there's anything else I could do to help. I've noticed that since this new rule went into effect, I've been getting my packages a lot faster, so the sellers can get their funds released a lot faster. Please, please, I beg of you, call either ebay or paypal, they can explain why they are doing this new method a lot better than I can. And they will explain to you that holding the funds is not the BUYERS fault and has nothing to do with the BUYER.
30th-Apr-2010 11:43 am (UTC)
I'm not sure the pending is from the customer -- it seems like it might be a Paypal policy (based on maybe not may ebay sales in the last year): https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/securitycenter/sell/SaferPayments-outside
30th-Apr-2010 01:20 pm (UTC)
See comment upthread.
30th-Apr-2010 01:59 pm (UTC)
What she says jibes with that link -- here's an article detailing how pissed folks are: http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/08/smbusiness/paypal_funds_freeze.fsb/

The lesson here is that Ebay sucks. Not happy with them at all.
1st-May-2010 10:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I had this same thing happen to me. The seller was all pissed because I hadn't left her feedback and she couldn't get her money. I thought she was on crack, but a couple of people on my friends list confirmed they'd run into similar situations. It's thoroughly annoying.
30th-Apr-2010 11:48 am (UTC)
I just wanted to say that the photo of you in your icon really is beautiful. You are SUCH a lovely woman. :-)
30th-Apr-2010 11:51 am (UTC)
"Pending" usually means a PayPal echeck. They usually list that they take a few weeks to clear but really clear in a few days if the person's bank is decent. But no, you definitely should not ship until the money is actually in your account.
30th-Apr-2010 01:21 pm (UTC)
Nope, not an eCheck. See comment upthread. I am skeptical.
30th-Apr-2010 11:55 am (UTC) - Friday
Don't ship the bpal until the payment clears and is in your account. PayPal is quicker but a check should really clear before you send anything. Having had one check for $95 bounce after shipping them their jewelry, and never being paid, this is one scammers route. Read their buyer feedback and look for a verified address. Those help.
30th-Apr-2010 01:21 pm (UTC) - Re: Friday
Buyer claims it's an new eBay policy and that no one gets their money until the purchaser gets their item. I am skeptical. See comment upthread.
30th-Apr-2010 02:12 pm (UTC) - Re: Friday
Alas, it's probably legit. When you bought things in March, you probably didn't hit the held payments thing because Ebay only holds payments on new and/or low volume sellers. You have a feedback rating of 58, which according to Ebay, makes you a "high risk" seller.
30th-Apr-2010 05:10 pm (UTC) - Re: Friday
I did some poking around E-Bay and it is directly linked in their help topics: http://pages.ebay.com/help/pay/payment_hold.html

So, the buyer really isn't bullshitting you, but this policy does sound kind of stupid.

Paypal also has the following information: https://www.paypal.com/paymentholds
30th-Apr-2010 12:21 pm (UTC)
Today...work, soccer, movie w/ girls, not sure after that :)

Tomorrow...ditto to you in the morning *yay*! Then soccer, then comic book day, then ?, then ?...

Sunday...visit with family...then ? probably lots of rest after this week.

about to post myself.
30th-Apr-2010 01:08 pm (UTC)
No time to read comments, so sorry if I'm repeating the obvious, but it sounds like an e-check. Definitely don't send until it clears. The buyer may well be on the level but there are some weapons-grade shitcakes on ebay (especially where rare collectible stuff is involved) and it's real easy to get burned. :(

I wish I could've bid on that -- still in search of BPAL that doesn't turn to powder on me. I hope you got a nice high bid for it!
30th-Apr-2010 01:22 pm (UTC)
Nope, not an eCheck; see comment upthread.
30th-Apr-2010 02:47 pm (UTC)
Ugh. I used to sell a lot on ebay but not recently. Seems they're still campaigning hard to disadvantage their sellers in any way they can.
30th-Apr-2010 01:39 pm (UTC)
I've gotten Paypal holds before, and they are legit.

"You've received a payment, detailed below. We’ve placed a temporary hold on the funds for this transaction.
PayPal and eBay are working together to make payments for eBay items even safer. Because we want both buyers and sellers to feel confident about sending and receiving payments through PayPal, we may temporarily hold payments for items sold on eBay.
Make sure to ship the item right away, so you'll have access to the funds sooner. We’ll release the hold in 21 days unless you receive a dispute, claim, chargeback, or reversal on the transaction subject to the hold. We may release the hold earlier if either of the following occurs:
- The buyer leaves you positive feedback on eBay.
- We confirm that the item was delivered.* We can confirm delivery if you ship the item with USPS, FedEx, or UPS and either use PayPal shipping labels or upload tracking information from the transaction details page. This applies to transactions within the United States."

Your buyer may not have their facts straight about these rules coming into play in March, as all eBay did then was change some of their pricing schedules. Following the link in yendi's post, it looks like you were tagged for this because your eBay rating is under 100.

But definitely check Paypal to make sure the payment is good. I think the buyer is probably legit, it just happens to roll this way because eBay and PayPal are trying to "protect" you.
30th-Apr-2010 01:43 pm (UTC)
And by protect you mean make interest money off your amounts due prior to them being given to you? Cause my skeptical side wonders if they are able to do this in these instances.
30th-Apr-2010 02:25 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm not saying that it isn't a sketchy business practice, but it's probably not the buyer trying to run a scam.
30th-Apr-2010 01:44 pm (UTC)
is it something to do with this? Payment Holds - seems if you have a low number of selling transactions paypal can hold the money until the package is received.
30th-Apr-2010 01:45 pm (UTC)
Wearing: pj's atm. real clothes soon, swear it.
Writing: a little more than I had been
Reading: Dance with Fear still. It's not long or complicated, I just have no time.
Crocheting: star afghan, still. recently discovered that I need an additional skein of each color so it will be big enough to call an afghan. LYS is out of my colors for the next few weeks. Much grrarrgh.
Planning: nothing unrelated to packing except for Reiki/massage sessions and one date with a cute girl. I buy property (omg!) and move next week!
30th-Apr-2010 01:46 pm (UTC)
Getting ready for AFCC (Asian Festival For Children's Content) and Coyote Con, kid wrangling, writing and family obligations. :P
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30th-Apr-2010 03:49 pm (UTC)
Ditto on that. 3 things in the past week, and I paid, they received payment, and they shipped.

I'm pretty sure it's ebay policy that the seller does NOT have to ship until s/he receives payment.

Did you call ebay/paypal to find out about this? Sounds sketchy to me....
30th-Apr-2010 02:51 pm (UTC)
I think your buyer is trying to scam. I deal with Paypal and Ebay almost once a week, and have never, ever heard of anyone being required to send items without being paid in full.

I'd send the conversation to Ebay Safe Harbor, and see what they say.

Edit - well, after reading other comments, it may be a legit thing. Definitely talk to someone through Ebay or PayPal to make sure though. So many scams out there now!

Best of luck!

Edited at 2010-04-30 02:54 pm (UTC)
30th-Apr-2010 02:52 pm (UTC)
When do payment holds apply?
Payment holds may be applied to some or all transactions in your account. Here are some common reasons for holding payments:

*You have an eBay feedback score of less than 100 or received fewer than 20 Detailed Seller Ratings in the last 12 months, and do not have a record of good performance


Source.

You have 100% good feedback, but only 2 detailed feedbacks in the last month. That's the only item on their list that could trigger the payment hold, but there you go.
30th-Apr-2010 03:51 pm (UTC)
The wording on that is really vague.

Do they mean that you have to:

1. Have an ebay score of less than 100

OR

2. receive fewer than 20 detailed seller ratings in the last few months AND 3. not have a record of good performance?

Or do they mean that you have to have 1 AND 3, or 2 AND 3?

I just bought some things --one from a person with <100 (11, to be precise), and there were no such issues.
30th-Apr-2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
I bought things from ebay in April and nothing of the sort happened to me at that point, nor to my seller. I have serious doubts her claim is legit.
30th-Apr-2010 08:05 pm (UTC)
Wearing polka dot nightgown. Plans today: stomach/body calming down so I can workout damnit.

Tomorrow: http://www.batsday.net/ Black Market for window shopping, followed (fingers crossed) by dancing tomorrow and Sunday night.
1st-May-2010 03:00 am (UTC)
Oh hey! Um. If you see the BPAL table and have cash monies, could you pick up an exclusive for me? And I can Paypal you? The one I am deeply interested in is Rivet.Goth.
1st-May-2010 03:44 am (UTC)
Absolutely. I plan on checking them out anyway, I want to test a few things myself.
2nd-May-2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
Yay! I'm interested in a bunch, really, but I am trying to be good about money. *nod*

Have fun!
2nd-May-2010 07:53 pm (UTC)
You got lucky. They still had sample bottles of all three that I wanted to try (rivet, romanti, gothabilly) but the only one not sold out was rivet. It didn't work for me, but I find that a lot of their scents smell or sound good until I put them on my skin. The gothabilly otoh was great, damn it.

Anyway - will you email me here with your info? I can package it and drop it at UPS tomorrow or tuesday, then I'll let you know the total and my paypal info. Also, is UPS ground ok or would you prefer it faster or different delivery method? I can also ship USPS, but in LA they're pretty fucking horrible about actually delivering anything that's not a standard size letter, so I've learned to avoid them whenever possible, and getting to/dealing with the post office is a pita to boot.
2nd-May-2010 08:07 pm (UTC)
Address sent! UPS is fine. Thank you so much! I'm sorry they didn't have the ones you wanted. :(
1st-May-2010 05:21 am (UTC)
That ebay thing sounds weird - I'd call both ebay and paypal and just check on the policy... better safe than sorry...

If it happens to turn out to be a scam, I don't know how ebay would have you "fix" that, but blkstarsapphire and I were one or two bids below the winner, and we'd be happy to honor the win bid price through paypal outside of ebay should the whole thing fall apart...

Of course, you need to honor any rules ebay has about those things first though... just offering so that the whole auction thing doesn't turn out to be a dead end for you and Elayna.

Good luck!


Edited at 2010-05-01 05:22 am (UTC)
1st-May-2010 09:23 am (UTC)
Yep, I saw - I second-offered to the next-highest, but if she doesn't want it, you guys are next on the list! (Buyer sent me a nastygram, I sent her money back, more later.)
2nd-May-2010 12:13 pm (UTC)
Second-offer bidder declined; it goes to you, if you're still interested!
2nd-May-2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
Yay! Still interested! I will need to inform blkstarsapphire since it's his paypal account...

Any pertinent information we need to know?

And sorry to hear about the nastygram - yuch...
2nd-May-2010 11:02 pm (UTC)
I sent you an e-mail from the same account as the paypal would come from (dennis at schnee dot com)... I hope the e-mail goes through properly as I've been having some trouble with it recently... Basically, let me know if you want to complete the transaction through ebay or if you just want me to send you the money via paypal directly...
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